Christ Alone

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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  I'd like to meet a real life Maltheist, Outlaw. Someone who believes in God, but believes He is evil. That'd be interesting...

  I guess alot are undercover Maltheists. They hate God or at least the concept of God. And that would apply.
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  All Things Pagan

  by Unbrainwashed publisher1 in

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  why is the wt org selective concerning things with pagan origin?

  for instance wedding rings they have no ban on wearing them and some wtnss say it is because it is commonly accepted now and no longer have significant pagan roots, but is that the point?

  if satan himself starts up something popular and as time moves on it loses its original satanic flavor it is ok for "true christians" - i love how j dubs qualify that, to adopt it now as a practice?

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  Because they are required to follow the same actions that "separated" them from the rest of "Christendom", that happened when Rutherford took over. It really can ALL be traced back to him.

  They know that there is a problem when they condemn Christmas as pagan yet say Rings are ok when they know that both have some pagan histories. But they are masters of double speak. Christmas is bad because it is pagan. Wedding Rings are ok because we do not associate paganism with them today. They forget that we do not associate paganism with Christmas today either...

  It's ALLLLLLL Rutherford. He's the REAL guy behind modern Jehovah's Witnesses.
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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  Christ Alone

  since even his existence is not corroberated.

  Interesting comment. I haven't found one respectable scholar that would go so far as to say that Jesus did not exist.
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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. jw
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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  OTWO, that was my very point. There is very little that will convince an atheist. It would be an appearing in the sky of a note that says God cured cancer. Even then I could imagine skeptics.

  Even after witnessing these things you would undergo psych testing to see if you were delusional.

  So, my main point is: There is almost NOTHING that will convince an atheist of God's existance. So simply saying "I would believe in God if there was proof" is a bit of an understatment.
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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  OTWO, you've got me wrong here. I'm not scoffing at anyone. I'm wishing to understand all ya'lls position.

  You know that I was referring to the 4 gospels. But it would be no different in any of the gnostic gospels. People rejected Jesus. That's a fact. Even if you only go by what you know from outside secular history, people rejected Jesus. Christians were killed as heretics and followers of a cult.

  I'm not demanding proof. I'm wishing to understand when the atheist says, "I would believe in God if I had proof." Well what does that "proof" look like. Cofty didn't misunderstand my point. And gave me a direct answer.

  I'm saying that in MY MIND, I could very easily see any "proof" as being rejected by the majority of atheists. Yes, this is only an assumption. But according to my worldview and what I personally view as authoritative (the Bible) this has happened.

  And IF these "miracles" of Guru Sri Baba are real, then they are being rejected too. I know nothing about this fella, so I'd probably reject them too. But they are rejected non the less as proof of nothing. It makes sense that the miracles of Jesus would be the same.
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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  Christ Alone

  But your OWN eyewitness testimony would be enough?
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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  Christ Alone

  Yeah, OTWO, I realize that this "survey" is flawed and destined for failure. It seemed like a good idea at the time...

  Gee...how many times have I said that in my life?
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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  Christ Alone

  So, cofty, your own personal observation of a miracle done on command, unproven by science, would be enough to convince you? I know you don't accept the Bible, but according to the gospels that was not enough to convince the Jews watching Jesus do it on command.
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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  I'm not necessarily talking the "Christian God" here, LWT. I'm talking just a belief in a creator. Call him the Flying Spaghetti Monster if you want. What proof would be proof enough to believe in a creator? "Not alot" doesn't make senes. Give me a theoretical way that could cause you to believe in a creator.
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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  Christ Alone

  LWT, I've wondered about this alot, and I hope you take it as the respectful question that I intend it to be. You said: "Virtually all atheists would change their position given evidence of a god or something we call synonymous with god"

  My question is, what would that evidence look like, short of God appearing in the sky?

  I used this analogy before and some got angry with me, but I mean it honestly. It is my belief that very little would convince an atheist. I assume, and yes this is just a personal thought, that most things that believers would consider "evidence" would be rejected as "proof" by atheists.

  I used for example this: Suspend disbelief, and imagine that something happened that some Christians have expected to happen, namly the rapture. I'm not saying it's a true doctrine. But imagine that millions of people suddenly vanished. That's all the proof you have. They vanished and Chrisitans have been saying that it is going to happen for thousands of years. I propose that most atheists would reject that as any sort of proof of God. There would be hundreds of theories about it. Aliens. Governmental technology. Whatever. I propose that even that would not be enough proof for the common atheist.

  My real question is what proof would be proof enough of God?

  I gave the other illustration, also thoroughly rejected, that the Bible says that even Jesus miracles were not proof enough for most people. Again, I know that the argument is that those miracles did not happen. But it seems to fit in my mind that IF they did, there would be PLENTY of people that would reject that as any sort of proof. According to the Bible, people did not think that these miracles PROVED that Jesus was the son of God.

  If you are tempted to say, "Ok if I saw a real miracle before my eyes, then I would believe", think of this. Everyone that did not actually SEE that miracle happen in front of them WOULD NOT BELIEVE YOU. They would say that there was some sort of scam behind it. They would say that you are a liar. They would say that you cannot trust your own perception.

  So again, what proof would be proof enough of God?